About the recent video on Rise fans

helljumper · 2024-07-14T22:22:21+00:00

I've been waiting for ages for someone to make a video like the one you recently published, as I feel almost the exact same when it comes to that side of the...

Tatoruzu

Misaori Yeah, exactly. They should just make their own original characters instead of putting a TMNT skin on whatever it is that they truly want.

It's not that we don't like change or variation, but it should be clear to anyone that Rise isn't just a "change" — it's like it's in a completely different category from the 40 years of TMNT history before it.

People can say "well, the 1987 show is much different than the Mirage comics" but that is such a bad faith argument. I mean, there were a ton of Mirage fans pissed about the '87 show as well. But at least there wasn't any precedent at that time. The comic was a mere three to four years old. The 1987 show can't really be considered a stark deviation for the franchise when the show itself was part of the foundation for the franchise, along with the Mirage comics.

Together, the 1987 show and the Mirage comics both formed the foundation for the franchise, and everything else after that built off of that foundation. Everything from the movies, to the 2003 show, to the 2012 show incorporated the two original ingredients: '87 and Mirage.

Rise is different in that it isn't just a "change" — it is a shakeup at the foundational level of the franchise. It changes everything about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. It would be like making a "cake" without flour or eggs.

helljumper

Tatoruzu The Rise community is massive and they are obsessed with the "queerness" and "shippable" aspects of the show — they don't care about what makes the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles actually ninjas.

Going off on a bit of a tangent. I'm not sure if you've heard this story before, but Lego conducted a study back in 2012 that helped them develop a new line targeted towards young girls. They were trying to break into that market after decades of failure, and sought to gain better insight into the ways boys and girls interact with things in order to better design and market their product. What they found is that little boys tried to become the fictional character (i.e. Batman) they were presented with by learning everything there is to learn about them and transforming themselves into the character, while little girls tried to make the same character become them by transforming them into a reflection of themselves. Of course there are exceptions to both of these cases, but it was the key Lego needed to make a line that ultimately went on and became a hit among little girls.

When you consider a sizable chunk of Rise's most vocal fans on social media are teenage girls with very entitled and childish personalities, that study contextualizes a ton of why Rise fans approach the franchise and these characters in the way they do. Obviously most female TMNT fans don't act like this, especially older ones, but the fact a considerable amount of Rise fans tend to be young, emotionally stunted zoomer girls with extremely childish and narcissistic personalities (The types who throw 13 flags and a watermelon in their bio) is why I consider this relevant.

Tatoruzu

helljumper That bit of information is mind-blowing and makes perfect sense.

helljumper

Tatoruzu Yeah, it's literally the embodiment of the "Now we can finally feel represented; Yes that's literally me" meme.

Misaori

Es muy interesante esa info! creo que hablas de Lego friends que fué la primera línea de Lego para las niñas. Tienes toda la razón, los niños tienen tendencia a querer ser ese superheroe mientras que las niñas quieren ser ese superheroe transformado,y es una diferencia muy significativa la verdad.

SpiderBytez

There's an artist on YouTube that I've seen make tcst content of ALL THE TURTLES MARRIED (including April and Casey for some reason) and they justify it by saying "I was victim to incestuous abuse as a kid by my own brother" which obviously I'm not saying they're lying or that it was their fault, it's obviously not (as I was sexually abused by my grandfather as a child), but it doesn't excuse this... Weird shit they're doing. They've gone as far as to make fan children that are products of tcst, long comic series' of pornographic tc*st, and even a comic of Leonardo GIVING BIRTH TO LIKE 9 EGGS (yes I counted and now I wanna kill myself)

Tatoruzu

SpiderBytez

Stu_Paddasso

SpiderBytez What’s worse is that this person will probably get a job at Marvel or DC.

SpiderBytez

Tatoruzu the disappointment in his expression is very fitting for this conversation.

SpiderBytez

Stu_Paddasso most likely they will. Unless someone at marvel/DC has seen their work. Even then, IDW might hire them or some shit.

Takachan556

You know, Tatoruzu, I’ve never seen you do a dedicated video on Rise’s quality. I know you have that ‘Your Favorite Show is Bad’ video in which you mention Rise, but I’m genuinely curious about your opinion on it.

In my case, I never got to finish it. Seems like the right thing to do, now that I think about it.

Tatoruzu

Takachan556 The problem is that I don't want to spend 14 hours of my life reviewing the show, writing notes, and taking screenshots for a show I don't like... before I even begin writing the script for the video.

Don't get me wrong, I will make an entire video about Rise someday. It's an inevitability. I'm just not looking forward to it.

gojirawater

@Takachan556 If you didn’t like what you saw, I wouldn’t bother. If you liked it, go ahead. I didn’t think it ever got really better or worse as far as I remember.

SpiderBytez

Tatoruzu fair. I wouldn't wanna spend hours researching a pile of shit either

lordvector104

It's weird that these mutants are called "Yokai", which In japanese and chinese mean fairy, spirit or demon. But later it's revealed that they were just mutated by ooze. They're not truly supernatural creatures. The turtles are just mutants who call themselves yokai and they can't even shapeshift into humans.

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