Hun & Purple Dragons revealed in Tales of the TMNT cartoon

helljumper

My expectations were already near rock bottom for this show, but my God. They made Hun an awkward, fat zoomer and made the Dragons (what I at least got the impression of by the clip they showed) a bunch of bratty, wannabe-tough-guy kids, rather than the stereotypical street gang they used to be. Paramount really can't stop obsessing over de-aging every character and making them lame af can't they (Seriously, what's up with that? Just because the show is made for kids doesn't mean every character has to be a kid). Feels like every character at this point in their new universe has been tinkered with to some degree that they feel completely devoid of everything that used to make them cool. And the worst part is it feels like most of these dumb changes end up sticking around over time more often than not.

Also, from the one clip we got, the dialogue was especially irritating to listen to (even by the standards of MM). The minute Hun revealed himself he said to Raph "it's not okay to fat-shame" and I let out an audible groan. Instead of the “How do you do fellow kids?” approach the movie’s dialogue seemed to take, the show’s dialogue seems to be more in line with the Joss Whedon/MCU-style “Did that just happen?” brand of writing, and I frankly don’t know which style of writing is more irritating to listen to. Whatever sliver of hope I may have had for it is gone from just hearing that dialogue. I guess as far as on-screen stuff goes it looks like I'm just gonna keep waiting and holding out for news on the TLR movie, because man this looks rough.

(This is him btw)

Shpadoinkle_Day

helljumper God damn, Hun. Look how they massacred my boy! It really shouldn't be hard to get the Purple Dragons right, all you needed was a typical street gang. No one was asking them to reinvent the wheel here, jeez, I'm not afraid of these guys; if you make your villains people that look like you yourself can beat the shit out of, than you done fucked up. These fuck-o's look like they couldn't jack a bag of chips, much less shake some fools down for money! The more I learn about these other variants, the more I'm thinking on passing on this universe entirely.

CodeXAhex

The show already ddnt even release yet and there's no hype for it lol.

helljumper

CodeXAhex I've seen zero fanfare for it outside of TMNT-specific spaces online. Honestly I wouldn't even blame most casual TMNT fans for not even knowing it was existing. Compare that to the marketing 2012 got where you pretty much couldn't escape it if you were a kid during that time. This show really does feel like it exists solely as filler, especially given the fact it's only 12 episodes too.

Tatoruzu

What bothers me about this Hun besides the points above is that he's completely pussy-whipped by Angel. Angel has "bratty Kamala Harris girl boss energy" or whatever. She busts in with a motorcycle and then immediately starts chewing out Hun, who doesn't even banter back or anything. He just takes it like an absolute bitch.

helljumper

Tatoruzu Yeah, the whole show already just reeks of "Millennial Writing" and it's not even out yet. Everything from the insincere, constantly quippy dialogue to Angel being a girlboss while Hun is a completely emasculated pussy, to the "fat-shaming" joke are all symptoms of it. Back to Hun, what purpose does making him such a bitch even serve? He's always been a fairly imposing and threatening figure, even in 2012 where the Purple Dragons were portrayed as bumbling idiots he still had his moments. The only reasons I can think for why they'd make him such a pussy is like you said, to give a reason to play up the whole "girlboss Angel" shit as a weak and emasculated juxtaposition to her, since it looks like the two of them are now related in this continuity.

Tyron_Leung

Tatoruzu they made kitsune from the idw comics a fat old short woman yakuza style boss and took away her mystic powers and ties to shredder Poland they made bishop a elderly crippled latina woman for a second I thought it was cree summers voicing her

Jackko

Tatoruzu i swear to god this version raph sounds like nelson from the simpsons im expecting him to shout ha ha

Tatoruzu

helljumper

The only reasons I can think for why they'd make him such a pussy is like you said, to give a reason to play up the whole "girlboss Angel" shit as a weak and emasculated juxtaposition to her

I don't think there's been a single bad ass male figure in the Mutant Mayhem continuity except for Super Fly, which as we all know, was a hilarious walking black stereotype.

As for bad ass white dudes in particular? They're pretty much gone. It's like they brought back Hun and Agent Bishop just to make it as obvious as possible they hate white dudes. I know 2012 Hun was already race swapped, but he was like a Bruce Lee parody or something — hell, I'd even happily take that at this point.

I've seen zero fanfare for it outside of TMNT-specific spaces online

There are many Rise fans who are shitting on it non-stop. It's kind of funny. Paramount is trying their hardest to appeal to these zoomers with this show, and they're rejecting it because they're ungrateful, spiteful animals (hmm, who could have guessed that?). And when the show is released, I think even more of them will jump ship and start hating.

helljumper

Tatoruzu

I know 2012 Hun was already race swapped, but he was like a Bruce Lee parody or something

I'm honestly able to look past 2012 Hun being race-swapped both because of the whole thing being one big Bruce Lee homage and the fact that the Purple Dragons in 2012 were already established to be a Chinese gang in the show prior to Hun's introduction. But yeah, the fact they brought him and Bishop back here just to race-swap them both (and gender-swap too in Bishop's case) is an extra slap in the face. Plus there was that concept art from MM that showed a race and gender swapped Casey too.

There are many Rise fans who are shitting on it non-stop

That's hilarious. They're still coping over their show getting cancelled even though no one watched it, so they're going out of their way to shit on the new thing despite the fact it's trying its absolute hardest to cater to them, as evidenced by the constantly snarky and insincere dialogue. It just reinforces every negative perception I already had about Rise fans. They're not TMNT fans, they don't care about anything outside of Rise nor do they have any desire to support it, they actively talk shit about everything else in the franchise, and they will keep crying to Paramount until Rise gets brought back, regardless of how hard they try to pander to them. The worst part of it all? We as fans have to suffer the consequences of their childish and bitter behavior, because Paramount keeps desperately attempting to cater to this vocal minority of entitled children. They're eroding not only the fanbase and discussion within it but also negatively affecting the actual product being put out. They're legitimately parasites.

Leonardo1984

Not surprised at this point. Already knew this show would be cringe.

helljumper

Leonardo1984 Neither am I. My expectations were already low going into it, but man

Gort

the whole angle of going pure comedy where everyone is wildly incompetent and barely resembles other incarnations of their characters was fine for one movie but i dont really think i want or need a sequel to the mutant mayhem turtles. they were a fun one off but this looks like something ill enjoy for maybe half a season at most before dropping it. the mutant mayhem turtles are a cast thats just fully incapable of interesting drama so the storytelling itself has no chance of being compelling.

Tyron_Leung

This show was ass in my opinion it made me wish for classic tmnt villains

Gort

im watching it rn. animation is great i really like its art style. comedy is VERY hit or miss. i dont forsee any of the character changes bothering me since this continuity itself is intended as a joke. its charming but like i said before i dont forsee this being a very compelling incarnation of the turltles. it seems mostly to be focused on being disposable fun. which makes me wish its episodes were bite sized 11 minutes instead of the standard 22.

Tatoruzu

Gort

animation is great

I'm going to have to heavily disagree there. Anything that isn't an action scene looks extremely choppy. There is so little smooth motion that part of me doesn't even want to consider it animation.

Mr_Toitle

I learned a long time ago to stop letting shit like this bother me anymore and just ignore it completely. Hun isn't even my favorite villain (although he's a more worthwhile contribution to the overall Turtles mythology then the rest outside the source material), but he doesn't deserved to be humiliated along with everyone else in this slop.

You know I don't even believe The Last Ronin will be "Rated R" as these studios don't care what a writer wants, but rather what they want, however it has to be a balls deep action-to-action flick as this point. If it fails, then the Turtles will basically be the humiliated comic book property in the landscape like it's been since Laird sold the rights all those years ago.

Gort

Mr_Toitle I learned a long time ago to stop letting shit like this bother me anymore and just ignore it completely. H

i dont think ive ever seen a comic adaptation be majority faithful literally ever. the Mcu has adapted like 100s of characters at this point but basically 0 stories. sure they might take a popular element or two and shove it where it doesnt belong. like stripping everything cool out of planet hulk and shoving what remains into a joke of a thor movie. even more grounded stuff gets borked, the walking dead is at least in the conversation for most unfaithful butchered adaptations of all time. i do not understand why its like this but its always been this way. i think people just have a general lack of respect for comics and the stories they tell even if like half of all movies at this point are based on comics or at the very least a novel.

and it sucks because at the end of the day the comic book is the workhorse medium. its the medium where you can have a new installment to the story every month for decades with no breaks. even more once you account for spinoffs or if your title is successful enough to go bi weekly. stuff like movies and tv shows have a long gap between releases and honestly tv seasons are really short nowadays. its unfortunate that (arguably) the best storytelling medium we have is so overlooked by the general public. at best they get weird mutated copies of the source material.

reading back over this post im seeing its kind of a big rambling tangent but honestly ive already typed it out so screw it

Mr_Toitle

Gort Hun isn't a comic book character, but due to his role as leader of the Purple Dragons (who only appeared in issue 1, mind you) in the 2k3 show, he became a integral part of the TMNT mythology from the onwards.

Mr_Toitle

Gort Also, my point isn't that every adaptation must be 100% faithful, rather that characters not just in TMNT, but in every other comic book adaptation now seem to indulge in humiliating any male characters like Hun, Ghost, Taskmaster, etc, etc.

Gort

Mr_Toitle

i mean hes since appeared in the current mainline continuity of comics. its semantics at this point like arguing over whether harley quinn truly counts as a comic book character or if the turtles are cartoon characters. its all comic book based media as far as im concerned

Gort

Mr_Toitle its not at all exclusive to male characters. the way april and angel are portrayed in the show are deeply unpleasant morons who are constantly mean to people around them for no reason. none of the characters are portayed particularly well. this iteration of the tmnt is one where everyone is incompetent and dumb and its all played for laughs. not really what i want in a tmnt show but it do be that way.

Mr_Toitle

Gort I didn't say it was exclusive to male characters.