idk its pretty standard practice to "put the toys back in the box" at the end of a writers run in comics.

    Gort

    Doesn't mean it's necessarily a good practice.

    When it comes to putting away Sophie Campbell's "toys," it's probably a good thing. Also, I don't like that I used the words "Sophie Campbell" and "toys" together in a sentence — I feel gross now.

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      i think it generally is a good practice. unless you have an idea for an interesting new status quo and have actively cleared it with the next writer its probably best to just make things as easy as possible for the next guy. otherwise you end up with bizarre disconnects like the imortal hulk ending with bruce finally at peace with the hulk and his immortality only for the next run to open with bruce and the hulk back at odds and bruce claiming he was never immortal. the immortal hulk's ending was perfect artistically but i dont envy the man who has to write "the merciful hulk #1" nor would i envy the man who has to follow up mutant town plot threads

        Tatoruzu When it comes to putting away Sophie Campbell's "toys," it's probably a good thing. Also, I don't like that I used the words "Sophie Campbell" and "toys" together in a sentence — I feel gross now.

        Thanks, Tat. Now I need to scrub my brain with vodka.

        Gort i think it generally is a good practice. unless you have an idea for an interesting new status quo and have actively cleared it with the next writer its probably best to just make things as easy as possible for the next guy.

        That may be a good formula for a lot of successful sitcoms that you plan on being on the air for five seasons where you have a “reset” and clear the board for the next episode that might have a different set of writers. But for long form storytelling, characters need to have journeys, stakes and consequences.

        That being said, it’s probably a good thing that they distance themselves from the Campbell run. There where so many plot threads, mystery boxes, and redundant characters that never paid off over the course of FOUR YEARS that at this point you might as well move on and focus on a more cohesive story, especially considering the heavily decompressed nature of modern comics.

        It’s Ninja Turtles, not War And Peace.

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          Stu_Paddasso But for long form storytelling, characters need to have journeys, stakes and consequences.

          if this were true soap operas wouldnt be a thing thats able to last for decades upon decades. western comics are a lot like soap operas. hell a lot of the complaints about IDW i see really come from being away from "back to basics" for so long. the turtles can go to dimension x and fight shredder and travel through time and any number of things but at the end of the day people want the turtles in new york fighting ninjas. that doesnt mean theres no character arcs or previous stories dont matter (hell every time IDW does anything to follow up old stories or characters its met with disdain) it just means it will always loop back around to the familiar at some point. thats what jason aarons run has done and its been really well recieved.

            Gort

            I do think TMNT is one of the exceptions. It's because Campbell's run was so bad. And just in general there are way too many characters.

            You can think of Spider-Man as the opposite case. People were pissed, and are still pissed, about Spider-Man going "back to basics" which meant severing his family life with MJ.

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              Tatoruzu well in all fairness spiderman had been married for like 20 years. spiderman being married WAS the basics after a certain point. i think hed been married for close to half of his entire publishing history when they undid it. even to this day almost every iteration of spiderman is paired with MJ and ultimate spiderman pairs them in a marriage it could be argued that that was a move away from the basics

              Gotta wonder how much input "Paramount editorial" has

              I wonder if Paramount was also responsible for the eventual removal of the "suggested for mature readers" label and the more PG vibe from the comic during the Sophie years:

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              thats actually great news. as far as the main book is concerned i feel theyre doing a great job of turning things around. isssue 4 was particularly great.

              edit: just read issue 6 this shit is great idk why its not being more celebrated here the art was insane.

                Just finished reading issue #7.

                It's the best new TMNT release I've read in years.

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                  Tatoruzu i went up to get it yesterday but there was some kind of supply chain issue. didnt get savage sword #7 either. had to settle for batman dark patterns and some old savage dragon issues which turned out cool. all in all not a bad trip but im really glad to hear this. also as a donny fan im biased but i feel like the route theyre taking with him is so interesting.

                    Aaron earlier stuff like Wolverine and the X-Men and Astonishing X-Men was great, but it’s hard to tell how much of his latter work was actually him or Marvel’s ridiculous editorial staff. Hopefully at IDW he’ll have the clout to do his own thing.

                    It’s a wait and see situation.

                      Stu_Paddasso

                      There's also a question of whether or not he actually liked those characters at Marvel. From what I can tell, he was a true fan of 80s TMNT and indie comics. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.

                        Gort Is Savage Dragon still any good? I heard Eric Larsen went off the deep end and turned the book into another completely leftarded anti-TROMP sloprag

                          Tatoruzu at marvel he would often do whatever he wanted regardless of what it meant for the character in question. as a known name he was pretty much able to do whatever he wanted as far as i could tell. like when he wrote for the avengers he did a story where there were avengers in like 1 million BC or some shit and made she hulk into savage hulk because hulk was dead when he was writing avengers and he wanted a savage hulk. hes made a lot of unpopular decisions. that said hes right about punisher i dont care what anyone says and his conan work was great. his thor was great too. the only original work ive read by him was scalped but that was high quality as well. i really dont think he we have anything to worry about from him on this book.

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                          ADistantImage i couldnt tell you ive only read the earliest issues ive managed to get ahold of. i fear the same thing is happening to the ice cream man. might change my avatar soon.

                            ADistantImage

                            Gort

                            Savage Dragon is still around. There's been some wild uncensored sex scenes thrown into the story over the past few years. And yeah, a lot of political shit. It definitely has an unhinged vibe to it.

                            Erik Larsen and Savage Dragon is like the left-wing version of Dave Sim and Cerebus LMAO

                            I haven't taken a deep dive and read every issue like I did with Cerebus, but maybe someday.