Geez, if they must bring in any of the stuff Sophie Campbell did, at least let it be for a single issue appearance and just leave them alone for whatever Tom Waltz wants to do with that gaggle of chuckle-fucks. They add nothing, and they're just annoying allegories who just barely resemble characters. I like the cast just the way it is, and I don't see the need to bloat the cast with unnecessary additions that don't do shit but fuck and complain, just let Arron's run be as self contained as humanly possible. It's working better that way.
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it be for a single issue appearance
Yep, that's what I was thinking. The Mirage comics had a huge cast of supporting characters, but they all had their time and place. Nobody wants a clusterfuck of a bunch of different side characters all at once.
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Tatoruzu For sure, to me, the main cast should always remain the Turtles, Splinter, April and Casey. I'm not saying they need to be the only people occupying the vast world around them, but having a compact and iron clad cast goes a long way for character development. How they interact with the world at large, and how situations change them for better or worse.
Part of me doubts the idea that Jason Aaron even read the previous IDW run. Would he really give a fuck about characters like Sheena or Jay?
Tatoruzu Seems likely, even if he didn't read the run he was probably given the cliff notes. Given in the Donatello issue it was directly reference that he was sent back in time and jumbled around. (Don't know the full details, I haven't read up to that point yet.) So I think Aaron has to make some references to tie-in to the previous run, but it's obvious he cares more about doing his own thing, which I fully support. Even if he has to write Sheena or Jay, they would more than likely be very shallow, but given what he has to work with; nothing significant will be lost.
Aaron has always been the kind of guy to ignore previous runs, no matter how recent they are, in favor of whatever he wants to do. its what led to his disastrous decisions he made with she hulk and the avengers and its what made his punisher run so controversial. but he is a good writer and i dont believe you guys have much to worry about in terms of an over reliance on older characters at least ones he personally doesnt care about.
honestly im surprised IDW didnt make sophie put the toys back in the box at the end of her run. especially if they were gearing up for a big relaunch. i think aaron is working on doing it himself i believe hes setting up splinters resurrection
honestly im surprised IDW didnt make sophie put the toys back in the box at the end of her run. especially if they were gearing up for a big relaunch
I think they just didn't want to hurt her feelings by scrapping everything she did.
She admitted in a podcast that she was a big baby and whined about Tom Waltz being able to make new turtles, but she wasn't able to:
Imagine the constant entitled whining she did behind the scenes.
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Tatoruzu I think they just didn't want to hurt her feelings by scrapping everything she did.
its not about scrapping it entirely its more like letting her runs new ideas be comfortably in the background and returning the book to a status quo most new readers would be familiar with.
the problem with the idea of new turtles is the core splinter clan in most continuities is already 7 characters strong. if you look at other series with large core casts... like take one piece (not dogging on one piece i think its pphenomenal) for example at this stage it has 10 core main characters who now all have to be constantly split up for them to have a story big enough to take part in and a few will inevitably go underutilized for years at a time. this has already happened to most of the new characters IDW has made for the turtle family. alopex is MIA as far as i know, jennika had to be split off into her own book so shed have something to do and sally pride hasnt made an appearance in the mainline book in two years.
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cover and solicit for #10 is out 
"The trial of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles begins here! Framed for a murder they didn’t commit, the brothers Hamato are prisoners of the Foot Clan, awaiting the judgment of the city’s greatest criminals. In the battle for New York City, the TMNT have officially... lost."
that clown did created a turtle and that was Lita yet Campbell decide to turn her back into a human and also kill off the other female turtle which was Venus
like i would love to see Kirby that unused turtle character show up again but i would not want Campbell to do it because that clown would find a way to ruined this cool scrapped character
MrSlash that clown did created a turtle and that was Lita yet Campbell decide to turn her back into a human and also kill off the other female turtle which was Venus
I didn’t care for Future Lita because she was just a redundant Rene Tilly 2.0 character. But I really liked little Lita because the idea of the turtles having some sort of progeny instead of some annoying human kid like Zach from the FW cartoon as a sidekick was something I haven’t seen before, which surprised me. Hell, I don’t even care for Robin at DC.
Talk about taking the ball and going home with it.
idk its pretty standard practice to "put the toys back in the box" at the end of a writers run in comics.
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i think it generally is a good practice. unless you have an idea for an interesting new status quo and have actively cleared it with the next writer its probably best to just make things as easy as possible for the next guy. otherwise you end up with bizarre disconnects like the imortal hulk ending with bruce finally at peace with the hulk and his immortality only for the next run to open with bruce and the hulk back at odds and bruce claiming he was never immortal. the immortal hulk's ending was perfect artistically but i dont envy the man who has to write "the merciful hulk #1" nor would i envy the man who has to follow up mutant town plot threads
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Tatoruzu When it comes to putting away Sophie Campbell's "toys," it's probably a good thing. Also, I don't like that I used the words "Sophie Campbell" and "toys" together in a sentence — I feel gross now.
Thanks, Tat. Now I need to scrub my brain with vodka.
Gort i think it generally is a good practice. unless you have an idea for an interesting new status quo and have actively cleared it with the next writer its probably best to just make things as easy as possible for the next guy.
That may be a good formula for a lot of successful sitcoms that you plan on being on the air for five seasons where you have a “reset” and clear the board for the next episode that might have a different set of writers. But for long form storytelling, characters need to have journeys, stakes and consequences.
That being said, it’s probably a good thing that they distance themselves from the Campbell run. There where so many plot threads, mystery boxes, and redundant characters that never paid off over the course of FOUR YEARS that at this point you might as well move on and focus on a more cohesive story, especially considering the heavily decompressed nature of modern comics.
It’s Ninja Turtles, not War And Peace.
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Stu_Paddasso But for long form storytelling, characters need to have journeys, stakes and consequences.
if this were true soap operas wouldnt be a thing thats able to last for decades upon decades. western comics are a lot like soap operas. hell a lot of the complaints about IDW i see really come from being away from "back to basics" for so long. the turtles can go to dimension x and fight shredder and travel through time and any number of things but at the end of the day people want the turtles in new york fighting ninjas. that doesnt mean theres no character arcs or previous stories dont matter (hell every time IDW does anything to follow up old stories or characters its met with disdain) it just means it will always loop back around to the familiar at some point. thats what jason aarons run has done and its been really well recieved.
I do think TMNT is one of the exceptions. It's because Campbell's run was so bad. And just in general there are way too many characters.
You can think of Spider-Man as the opposite case. People were pissed, and are still pissed, about Spider-Man going "back to basics" which meant severing his family life with MJ.