The topic of (somehow) finding the turtles attractive.

SpiderBytez

Found out people are simping for the turtles. This is just my opinion, if you have a problem with it, then fuck off retards.

Okay first off those are fucking turtles, how the hell do you have the hots for THAT. That's borderline zoophilia.

Second, they're fictional. I understand fictional crushes, but again, they're turtles, how do you find a turtle attractive, fictional or not. "But Ray, some people like them for the personalities so it's okay!" I DONT GIVE A GODDAMN ITS STILL A FUCKING TURTLE

Third, I don't care if you like them, but if you're open about a crush on the turtles, or ANY of the mutants, I'm GONNA tell you that you're fucking weird. I won't sugarcoat it.

Anyways, it's 4 in the fuckin morning, I'm going to bed.

helljumper

SpiderBytez Agree with all of this but lowkey you forgot what is in my opinion the most important part about why it's gross and why I detest every breath of it in this fanbase; in almost every single continuity they're all UNDERAGE, and the versions of them that shippers seem to be most fixated on (2012, Rise and MM) all act especially young compared to previous versions

Stu_Paddasso

SpiderBytez Found out people are simping for the turtles. This is just my opinion, if you have a problem with it, then fuck off retards.

Okay first off those are fucking turtles, how the hell do you have the hots for THAT. That's borderline zoophilia.

I wouldn’t take this too seriously. There have been stories of humans in relationships with nonhumans since antiquity. The Greeks, Romans, and the Japanese with their weird tentacle shit. The idea of the turtles being in a relationship with a human is no more beastiality than Captain Kirk nailing a green woman from Orion who isn’t even from the same terrestrial animal kingdom from Earth.

Granted, if it was a Gorn or Tholian it may not have gone over so well.

Since we’re on the subject, a while back I was listening to the WDW Pro Show on YouTube and a couple of panelists brought up the interesting point that back in the day, Howard the Duck was frequently in relationships with human women, even in the ‘80s live action film. But no one really cared because it was done mostly as a lark. The same goes for Roger and Jessica Rabbit and when Bugs Bunny dressed up in women’s clothes to trick and embarrass his enemies. It was just a joke.

And let’s be honest, if Lea Thompson was strutting around in her underwear, could you blame him?

The problem as the panelists pointed out, is that we live in a time where is such a large amount of bizarre and sometimes alarming behavior being shoved in our faces and being heavily politicized that it’s become all too real and it’s simply not fun anymore. It’s hard to appreciate The Rocky Horror Picture Show or Pink Flamingos as the absurd comedies they were meant to be when Dr. Frank-N-Furter is reading a book about how to perform oral sex to a room of five year olds.

As far as the 2012 series is concerned, I didn’t object to it anymore than Goliath and Elisa Maza in Gargoyles. I actually rooted for Donatello because it reminded me of myself at that age when I had a crush with a girl who was more interested in a jock at school.

Although, the whole Leo/Karai thing left me wondering if the writers had watched too many daytime soap operas.

“Your fiancé is your long lost sister!”

“NOOOOOOOO!”

My fear is if they were to revisit that idea is that they would reduce it into fetish fuel material like the Harley Quinn fart comic or if they would beat the audience over the the head with an agenda instead of telling a good story.

Gort

at the end of the day the turtles are furry adjacent. so furries latching onto the series and aspects of their fandoms seeping into tmnt is just something we're just gonna have to make peace with. fighting this, you may as well go outside and fight the wind.

i do agree tho the turtles is especially strange because they (as far as im aware) have never once been designed to be attractive in any way. they arent lola bunny lmao

Tatoruzu

Gort

fighting this, you may as well go outside and fight the wind

Probably, but it's a fight that Peter Laird supports

SpiderBytez

Gort I mean when I was a kid I had a crush on Usagi but then again I was basically a fetus. Now I think the concept of crushing on fictional characters, especially mutants or FURRIES, is disgusting.

Tatoruzu

It's always the women who are into the nastiest shit LMAO

(not all women, obviously)

SpiderBytez

Tatoruzu for that image, if we're talking about the 2012 iteration, then that's incest and it's worse. Because, we all know that in 2012, Karai is Miwa, Shredders thought to be dead daughter.

Gort

shippers in general almost always have the worst taste. me personally the fact that they can talk and reason removes any moral objections i mean its fiction. it still icky but it wouldnt make me drop the book or anything.

Tatoruzu

Gort

It's more to do with the fact that it has no place in the franchise. It's straight from the horse's mouth — turtles don't have love affairs with humans (ignoring Swan Song, of course).

There are rules to the franchise. Rules explicitly vocalized by Peter Laird. Granted, they are rules that are commonly broken since he has no "say" anymore. You can agree with those rules, or you can disagree with those rules. But I feel like those who agree with those rules have a closer appreciation and understanding of the essence of the TMNT. Those who disagree with those rules are people who like products that are not essentially TMNT but with a TMNT logo on top.

And I'm using the word "essentially" here as an adjective that means of or related to the essence of.

For the essential kind of TMNT, there are a lot of things that don't belong in TMNT even if we could somehow convince ourselves that it's justified. Even completely mundane PG things (that is, unless we're to say that everything that could possibly be justified belongs in the TMNT).

Is the TMNT franchise just a sandbox in which anything can happen and there are no rules as long as we can reach and find some justification? That doesn't sound right to me. But then again, people are free to like TMNT that is not essential.

And I'm not even convinced relationships between humans and animals is justified by the fact that the animals can talk and reason.

Gort

its whatever to me i think shippers are cringe at base lmao

Gort

Tatoruzu 's more to do with the fact that it has no place in the franchise. It's straight from the horse's mouth — turtles don't have love affairs with humans (ignoring Swan Song, of course).

There are rules to the franchise. Rules explicitly vocalized by Peter Laird. Granted

this is a bit of a tangent but im a firm believer in death of the author because sometimes the author is wrong. look at tim cain praising that abortion of a fallout tv show for example. as a fallout fan i have a lot of sympathy for fandoms that get coopted by people who really have no love for an ip's core but rather just its iconography. to be clear i agree with you and Laird i am NOT saying laird is wrong on this. im just saying that invoking author comments isnt always valuable at least to me.

SpiderBytez

Tatoruzu one of the reasons I hate that Nickelodeon bought off the TMNT. There were never any turtle-human romances before this (that I know of) but when Nickelodeon bought the TMNT that all started. Mutant Mayhem and 2012 are the worst examples of this. The only romances Rise has are the ones between Big Mama and Lou Jitsu, which was a one episode focus. The love between Hypno and Warren Stone, obvious parody of censorship and also a one episode focus. And the sub textual hints that Draxum was into Lou Jitsu. None of these involve the turtles.

Looking at the 2012 show, there was really only one romance that was good and I liked, that being the relationship between Raph and Y'Gythba (Mona). So far, Raph has been the only turtle that hasn't had any human love interests through the whole franchise (THAT I KNOW OF).

I don't really see Donatello x April as a romance, even though Donatello is crushing on April. The only reason I say this is because of the fact that April seems to like Casey Jones more than Donatello in a romantic sense. Some people say April is leading Donnie on with the cheek kisses and hugs, but I personally believe she's not. People mostly talk about the fact she just wants Donnie to think she likes him back, but I personally believe she just doesn't know how to turn him down. She's an awkward teenage girl, and as I've been in her position before, it feels terrible having someone like you and they've made it obvious to all of your friends, so it makes it harder to turn them down out of fear you'll look like the bad guy. The uncomfortable romance.

Leonardo x Karai honestly could've been a great romance if they weren't related and if Karai was mutated before they met (when she was mutated into that snake thing in season 2). The writers should've either chosen a love interest route or the family route, not both. The controversial romance.

Michelangelo has two love interests, Renet and Shinigami(I think that's how her name is spelled). None of the romances really go anywhere. Renet plays along with Mikeys flirting because she's basically his idol in the future, and Shini never really responds to Mikeys flirts, she just ignores them. The most boring romances.

Raph and Mona are ADORABLE. The only good romance in the show. Their relationship isn't turtle on human, which is an amazing save for the romance. The only thing about this is the lack of screen time, and even then this might be a good thing. Good romances with tons of screen time can easily go from fan favorite to the most annoying thing in the show. (Example; Donnie and April).

If we're wanting to include Splinter and Tang Shen, I don't really like the romance. I mean, she's basically just to help fuel splinters 'man pain' arch and to kinda fuel the incest backstory for Leo x Karai/Miwa. I personally don't like this romance, but to each their own.

What I'm trying to say is, mutant on human is basically zoophilia/beastiality, and since that's the case, people crushing on the turtles is also considered beastiality. Some people could disagree, but again, this is just MY opinion.

helljumper

Tatoruzu

Is the TMNT franchise just a sandbox in which anything can happen and there are no rules as long as we can reach and find some justification?

This is pretty much the exact reason I get mad at shipping in really every fandom, not just TMNT, despite the common rebuttal of "it's just fan work, why do you care?" Sure it's not canon, but it's the idea behind why you're doing it that rubs me the wrong way. It's purely caring about the aesthetics of the thing only and it's a super slippery slope. Besides purely narcissistic reasons, there's no real appeal of getting into a franchise if you don't care about the "rules" of the universe and the story itself and only want to use it as a skinsuit for whatever fantasies you have. (this also applies equally to the "everything is political" crowd too)

It's the very definition of being a tourist

VCRVinnie

Tatoruzu I don’t mind the turtles having romances provided they’re not taking over the core of the action and character.

That said, I don’t really care for tmnt focusing on romance outside of Casey x April and any other ocs an incarnation makes up.

Yet the one fandom ship for tmnt im mainly alright on is for 2003 Leo and Usagi for a few reasons:

The two have a huge respect and friendship for each other
In the 2003 universe, the turtles feel the most mature and balanced
Usagi seems to have this almost magical quality of always perking up Leo if Splinter and the brothers can’t. See Samurai Tourist in Season 4 and Leo temporarily appeared happy up until that assassin ambush
Over the seasons, Leo and Usagi have spent a ton of non romantic bonding and chemistry to make a fandom romance believable. Usagi saved Leo’s life near the end of Season 2, Leo returned the favour and helped protect Lord Noriyuki partway through Season 3 and they fought an assassin in New York together in season 4.

Hope it’s not bad and I can buy even the fandom Donnie x Leatherhead ship for the 2 bonding over science stuff but yeah, don’t have romance a huge focus in ninja turtles and don’t cater to the weirdoes that just think of say Rise and Mutant Mayhem guys slamming lips together

Tatoruzu

Gort

im a firm believer in death of the author

I can understand that.

Sometimes it do be like this:

helljumper

Gort

i have a lot of sympathy for fandoms that get coopted by people who really have no love for an ip's core but rather just its iconography

Gort

SpiderBytez What I'm trying to say is, mutant on human is basically zoophilia/beastiality

im sorry theres just no other time or context where id get to make this reference

Tatoruzu

Gort Rare GIF

SpiderBytez

Gort I've barely seen that gif around and the sad part is I use it so ironically when shit posting 💔

SpiderBytez

helljumper I did forget that fact. I'm pretty sure all the love interests for the turtles are minors (idk about Mona she low-key seems like an adult). I mean I used to date when I was a teen, I'm pretty sure most people did, but still it's pretty weird.

Michelangelo is the youngest in rise, mm, and 2012 so it makes sense as to why he acts so childish. Leonardo in 2012 isn't childish as often but does have his moments. Rise Leo and Donnie are.. they're uh..

Mm Donnie sounds like he hasn't even hit puberty, MM Leo is just a fucking simp, MM Raph has a shit ton of anger issues. Rise Raph is a huge softie (which I like about his character), Rise Donnie is autistic as fuck, 2012 Raph would rather beat the shit out of anyone than just mess around 24/7 like Mikey does, 2012 Donnie is just a geek and we can all tell.

The behavior all of them have are very childish, but can have serious moments. (Even Mikey, surprisingly). It makes the whole "love interests while underage" trope even more disgusting. If they were adults it would be a little better but they're not.

SpiderBytez

SpiderBytez off topic but the dude that voiced rise Leo voiced Sonic in the moviex